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Update on Self being the worst NCAA tourney coach in history

Posted on: March 23, 2017 at 13:03:29 CT
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Bill Self is coaching in his 14th NCAA tournaments at ku encompassing 44 games. He has 32 tourney wins, of which the avg seed of the opponent is an astonishingly low 10.5 seed. 81.3% of his tourney wins have come over teams with an 8 seed or worse. Only 6 times in total out of 44 games under Self has ku defeated a team seeded higher than 8 in the bracket, or 13% of the victories could be considered ‘quality wins’ by most standards.

An amazing 5 times ku under Self has been knocked out of the NCAA tournament by a team seeded AT LEAST 8 seeds below them, meaning 38% of their tournaments have ended in ‘disastrous upsets’ by most standards. In fact, 3 times in a 6 year period Self was awarded the ESPY for the worst upset in all of sports for that given year. Not in college basketball, all of sports.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_Upset_ESPY_Award


Below is the detail of Self’s tourney results by opponent seed since taking over ku. Try to put together a ‘Top 5 best wins’ list from the 44 contests. Its pretty easy to get to 4, but beyond that I’m not sure what would be considered great wins. I guess maybe beating Southern Illinois a decade ago?

NCAA Tournament 2004
First Round: Illinois-Chicago - #13
Second Round: Pacific - #12
Regional Semi: Alabama-Birmingham - #9
Lost to team 1 seed above

NCAA Tournament 2005
None - lost to team 11 seeds below


NCAA Tournament 2006
None - lost to team 9 seeds below

NCAA Tournament 2007
First Round: Niagara - #16
Second Round: Kentucky - #8
Regional Semi: Southern Illinois - #4
Lost to team 1 seed below

NCAA Tournament 2008
First Round: Portland State - #16
Second Round: Nevada-Las Vegas - #8
Regional Semi: Villanova - #12
Regional Final: Davidson - #10
UNC – #1
Memphis - #1


NCAA Tournament 2009
First Round: North Dakota State - #14
Second Round: Dayton - #11
Lost to team 1 seed higher


NCAA Tournament 2010
First Round: Lehigh – #16
Lost to team 8 seeds below

NCAA Tournament 2011
Boston University – #16
Illinois – #9
Richmond – #12
Lost to team 10 seeds below

NCAA Tournament 2012
Detroit – #15
Purdue – #10
NC State – #11
UNC – #1
Ohio State – #2
Lost to team 1 seed higher

NCAA Tournament 2013
Western Kentucky - #16
UNC – #8
Lost to team 3 seeds below

NCAA Tournament 2014
Eastern Kentucky – #15
Lost to team 8 seeds below

NCAA Tournament 2015
New Mexico State – #15
Lost to team 5 seeds below

NCAA Tournament 2016
Austin Peay – #16
UConn - #9
Maryland - #5
Lost to team 1 seed below

NCAA Tournament 2017
UC Davis - #16
Michigan State - #9

Edited by FIJItiger at 13:11:13 on 03/23/17
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Update on Self being the worst NCAA tourney coach in history - FIJItiger MU - 3/23 13:03:29
     Picking apart Self and KU - Merlyn MU - 3/23 14:44:04
     One man's list of the all time NCAA basketball coaches. - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/23 14:29:25
     I don't like Self, but you look like a fool ... - Ernie Webb III - 3/23 14:09:13
          I’ll bet his wife cannot wait for the kids to be old enough - Big Ray 2 USA - 11/30 20:49:50
          I think being a 1 or 2 seed and then flopping - Evenflow MU - 3/23 14:30:34
               How would you rank having two NBA players and not able to - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/23 14:36:19
                    I bet a lot of teams have had two players who played - Evenflow MU - 3/23 14:47:31
                         Stipo and Sunny. I wouldn't call them short timers, and they - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/23 14:50:03
     Good thing Missouri didn't hire him - hairdo, suitcase, - alstl MU - 3/23 13:40:30
     Perverse attempt to make Norm look better. It isn't even - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/23 13:33:20
          I didn't say Self was worse than Norm - FIJItiger MU - 3/23 13:40:26
          Norm was never guaranteed 9 home wins and a #1 seed - glue MU - 3/23 13:37:52
               Have you looked at his NCAA tournament record? The games he - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/23 13:39:17
                    Contrary to your opinion, the OP was never about Norm. - glue MU - 3/23 13:40:59
                         Maybe you are unfamiliar with FIJI's style. It fits it to a - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/23 13:44:46
                              Apologies you find this so confusing (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 3/23 13:46:21
                                   Your wish that I find this confusing is futile. - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/23 13:50:30
                                        Or we could just use the metrics that I already - FIJItiger MU - 3/23 13:53:28
                                             Norm couldn't recruit well enough to get the best players. - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/23 13:55:40
                                                  You must find him to be a considerably greater coach than I - FIJItiger MU - 3/23 13:57:41
                                                       Here you are pretending to know the mind of another person, - MizzouTigerz MU - 3/23 14:08:11
     he dominates your thoughts(nm) - ajpe53 MU - 3/23 13:15:59
          I've already written the same post, just had to update - FIJItiger MU - 3/23 13:19:49
     seek counseling - Jeff85 MU - 3/23 13:09:58
          Not true for me. My whole life I have hated KU - HenryTiger95 MU - 3/23 13:23:01
               Then don't ever capitalize ku again!!!! Same for you FJ VVVV - glue MU - 3/23 13:32:46
                    you are right. That was an oversight. - HenryTiger95 MU - 3/23 13:34:06
               RE: Not true for me. My whole life I have hated KU - FIJItiger MU - 3/23 13:26:40
                    Thanks for that. I have not seen such a comprehensive - HenryTiger95 MU - 3/23 13:33:04
               hear, hear(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 3/23 13:26:04
          You could take the obsession portion of his counseling - the808bass MU - 3/23 13:12:41
          Thanks. I just work it out via Tigerboard. (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 3/23 13:11:50
          Speak for yourself. Many of us still do. Sue us or call IRS - MU Dylan MU - 3/23 13:11:10
          lol (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 3/23 13:10:20
     Yep - Diamond Dave MU - 3/23 13:07:13
          He beat a team with superior talent in 2008 - TheWildcat STL - 3/23 13:09:15
               Awesome - Diamond Dave MU - 3/23 13:11:27
                    In that final four alone, two. - DC Jayhawk KU - 3/23 13:12:35
                         Would you say Memphis had more talent?(nm) - TheWildcat STL - 3/23 13:13:35
                              well, it's hard for me to remember the entire squad - DC Jayhawk KU - 3/23 13:16:06
                                   UNC was the best team in the country that year (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 3/23 13:17:14
                                        You are correct. (nm) - DC Jayhawk KU - 3/23 13:18:40




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