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We don't look very good attacking the rim either. (nm)
Posted on: April 15, 2021 at 09:01:30 CT
Newcatbirdseat
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Watson to me encapsulates the Cuonzo era at MU
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/15 08:49:05
If he doesn't hate CM its a miracle....nm
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tigertix
MU
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4/15 18:29:50
He reminds me a little of KJ Walton. A little overmatched at
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sprintcar
STL
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4/15 14:29:25
One huge difference
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/15 14:31:30
Walton took more threes both years at Mizzou than he has the
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sprintcar
STL
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4/15 14:48:40
I think Walton is a better comp for Davis.
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 14:54:08
If Watson was so talented he would have landed
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MizzouGunner
MU
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4/15 12:53:00
brings up the point of why he was here in the first place
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TigerA
MU
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4/15 12:55:13
He was here because he was a 4 star recruit with a national
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KC rules
MU
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4/15 14:13:15
That is what was said about guys like
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/15 12:55:00
I don’t think anyone was saying that about those 3(nm)
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 13:20:55
Wes doesn’t fit your argument
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Ace
A
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4/15 13:17:48
What kind of game do you think Watson has?
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Ace
A
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4/15 12:12:29
IMO, when he played initially
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Mormad
MU
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4/15 12:20:57
While insightful, it doesn’t tell me what kind of game you
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Ace
A
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4/15 13:03:10
So what you're saying is that HCCM is a terrible coach
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Cosmo
MU
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4/15 12:30:31
I don't think he is a Cuonzo type of player
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/15 12:53:21
This is the best evaluation on him i have seen here (nm)
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 12:27:20
Cuonzo can't coach offense or coach players up on offense n
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tjjefferson
MU
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4/15 10:58:46
It was the defense that was the reason Mizzou didn’t
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 11:00:50
I don't see that, at least not as a coaching issue. If
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GA Tiger
MU
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4/15 11:25:48
He didn't coach a defense to his talent level.
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 11:30:45
I thought the scheme was wrong on defense
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 11:34:45
Yup that's Anton & Kaleb right there.
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 11:35:56
It’s Durugodon, Brazile, Keita
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 11:38:05
He will be looking for a soft spot after this year.
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 11:41:03
If he’s wrong on his recruiting he will (nm)
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 11:44:36
It was the defense that didn't score for a bunch of
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SabertoothTiger
MU
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4/15 11:18:09
yeah I guess the defense was who jacked all those 3's
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tjjefferson
MU
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4/15 11:03:19
It was the defense not getting stops and rebounds
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 11:07:34
A lot of that decline happened because Pinson was
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GeorgiaTiger76
MU
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4/15 11:09:50
There were many guys beat off the dribble. See TCU,Miss,etc
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 11:11:59
That's true. The reason X is blamed is that
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GeorgiaTiger76
MU
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4/15 11:25:40
Cuonzo has a bunch of excuses, but will say he's not making
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 11:28:03
Honest question: what excuses has he made?
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GeorgiaTiger76
MU
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4/15 11:36:07
Previously Injuries. He had his friends in media(Matter,Hoch
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 11:40:19
Oh, so it's a conspiracy. I see.(nm)
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GeorgiaTiger76
MU
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4/15 11:41:41
The dude obviously has some kind of agenda against CM
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Cosmo
MU
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4/15 11:44:23
Your next insightful post will be your first insightful post
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 13:13:13
ok thanks (nm)
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Cosmo
MU
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4/15 13:29:38
I know, right?
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GeorgiaTiger76
MU
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4/15 11:50:50
Nope. Cuonzo doesn't have guys in the media.
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 11:43:12
That seems to have been fixed.
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 11:13:47
lol.Right Cuonzo's building a Big10 team in SEC. Won't work
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 11:14:32
he needs to stop devaluing players(nm)
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TigerA
MU
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4/15 11:23:46
His development erodes them & coaching devalues. Tilmon
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 11:30:04
impossible to know that but okay(nm)
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TigerA
MU
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4/15 11:31:27
Compare Tilmon's rate of development w/ Cockburn.
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 11:34:50
Compare it with Malik Williams,
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GeorgiaTiger76
MU
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4/15 11:49:51
Re-check your facts on Williams class
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 13:14:25
He’s in the same class as Tilmon
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 13:18:07
See Highlander's list of post rated near Tilmon in his class
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 13:20:47
He’s ranked 27 here in that class
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 13:22:33
lol, yes JT isn't an all-american. he was still very good
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TigerA
MU
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4/15 11:45:53
He averaged 12ppg and 7rpg his senior year. For his career
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/15 12:34:59
What a dumb comp to use
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Cosmo
MU
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4/15 12:36:19
Why is it dumb both had a career average of 9.7 ppg and JT
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/15 12:43:31
Ok so you want to compare JT to another player
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Cosmo
MU
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4/15 12:46:50
You think JT and KP played different positions? Here is the
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/15 12:50:48
Yeah, they did. Did you watch Puryear play?
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Cosmo
MU
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4/15 12:55:30
What about all the other bigs that developed less?
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 11:36:35
You mean like Garza,Wadus,Lester Earl, etc.
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 11:42:22
I posted about Tilmon’s recruiting class
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 11:46:54
As I suspected you are completely full of shlt! I just did
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/15 12:26:10
Here is the 247 ranking for that class
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 12:31:05
You claimed you were comparing him to other top prospects.
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/15 12:46:57
His go-to-move is to change the narrative. You exposed him.
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 13:18:08
You didn’t search to find the post with the breakdown
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 12:48:12
Even if true, which I doubt. Does everybody else did worse
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/15 12:01:00
lol what? (nm)
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Cosmo
MU
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4/15 12:02:33
He claims that CM develops talent and as proof he says that
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/15 12:28:38
No, he claimed in that post that the other comparable
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Cosmo
MU
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4/15 12:34:06
The 'others' that he was referring to were the top rated 5s
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/15 12:37:08
That tells me you didn’t read the post breaking down
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 12:44:39
I'm pretty sure he doesn't read posts
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Cosmo
MU
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4/15 12:49:01
No, it's in the subject line
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Cosmo
MU
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4/15 12:44:15
So by eliminating all of those that actually developed CM
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/15 12:55:26
5 stars that left after 1 season were developed? (nm)
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 12:58:52
Enough to be in the NBA. Try this comparison then
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/15 13:30:31
just b/c there are better players doesn't mean JT didn't
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TigerA
MU
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4/15 13:34:55
Look at his numbers over his four seasons and tell me he
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/15 13:47:16
1) you can watch the games and see he improved. just
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TigerA
MU
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4/15 14:00:11
I just posted below that he was 30th in scoring and 10th in
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/15 14:05:14
clearly the numbers were worthly b/c he got it and it isn't
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TigerA
MU
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4/15 14:10:45
DH is comparing JT to Puryear because the Mizzou page
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Cosmo
MU
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4/15 14:28:53
They were both bigs. Different styles but both played
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/15 17:01:35
KP played on the wing and rarely posted up
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Cosmo
MU
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4/16 10:07:52
haha, no ****(nm)
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TigerA
MU
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4/15 14:34:42
Dig into his stats lots of areas of improvement
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 13:50:55
Care to show those stats you think he deserved?
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/15 14:02:30
According Cuonzo yesterday he said he was top 4
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 14:08:39
I included them and the others in that class
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 13:33:53
You claimed that Tilmon did well in comparison once you
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/15 13:40:13
He did do well. I didn’t say he was the best in his class (nm)
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 13:42:13
He finished his career averaging less than 10 ppg and 5 rpg.
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/15 13:50:01
It’s among the better stat lines for bigs in that class
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 13:52:10
There were 18 players in the SEC this season that had a
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/15 14:17:58
RE: There were 18 players in the SEC this season that had a
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Third_Eye
STL
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4/15 19:03:46
what exactly makes you think he had that talent?(nm)
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TigerA
MU
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4/15 13:41:32
His recruiting ranking and play his freshman year. JT had
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/15 13:56:37
he was all league this year. that makes him one of our
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TigerA
MU
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4/15 14:00:50
No, you're not reading or just don't care
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Cosmo
MU
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4/15 12:57:41
that isn't true though(nm)
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TigerA
MU
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4/15 12:01:58
Big 10 team? (nm)
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 11:16:38
The only guy I saw who would pump fake at the 3 pt line
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alstl
MU
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4/15 10:32:14
The mid-range game is pretty much gone from CBB.
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/15 10:47:24
I should do a film breakdown here.
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 10:52:58
A lot of our movement is ineffective and really just
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alwaysright
MU
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4/15 12:24:45
Mizzou has been near the top of P6 teams each of the last 2
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 13:16:21
I have never been one to argue that we did not get enough
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alwaysright
MU
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4/15 15:54:08
Well it’s not really a motion offense.
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 16:05:12
No you have made a bunch of claims about the offense
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/15 11:00:57
Here you go. I have posted it before.
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 11:03:16
And as I responded when you posted it. That is a playbook,
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/15 11:54:28
It’s a playbook based on video.
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 13:31:34
Here’s the shot charts for Mizzou’s last three games.
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the808bass
MU
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4/15 11:14:31
WOW! Am I reading this correctly? Only TWO made
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MNTIGER
MU
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4/15 11:42:04
Not crazy, CM's offense. Wu-T would have you believe that
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/15 11:55:30
It’s most offenses college and pro
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 11:58:19
Might be why Mizzou went and got a guy like Davis
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 11:49:53
And without development we can see him on video next season
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/15 11:56:19
That didn’t happen this season
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 12:48:59
You are either blind, stupid or CM's nephew.(nm)
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/15 18:37:26
What does that have to do with the playbook
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 11:18:50
You’re arguing yourself into a corner. (nm)
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the808bass
MU
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4/15 11:24:29
I posted a link to the playbook.
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 11:25:57
I thought we were arguing about mid range shots in the
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the808bass
MU
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4/15 11:46:53
Wu-T actually thinks pictures of the plays the team claims
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/15 11:58:03
Yeah, imagine using images and figures to teach others
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Cosmo
MU
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4/15 12:08:57
I see you didn’t go to the link
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 11:59:06
That simply isn't true.
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GeorgiaTiger76
MU
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4/15 10:46:27
Shot charts tell a different story.
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/15 10:57:22
Yes, our opponents in those games shot more
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GeorgiaTiger76
MU
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4/15 11:04:53
That’s good offense.
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 11:00:05
Dru Smith too. Dru was our offense for many spurts
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/15 10:41:58
He's a 3 and D guy at the P6 level, i don't know what
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playhard
KC
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4/15 10:26:49
If he could improve his ball handling, he could use his
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Eggs
MU
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4/15 10:29:25
He might be able to bully ball some guys at a lower level
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playhard
KC
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4/15 10:35:29
Probably why he's heading to Elon now
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Eggs
MU
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4/15 10:42:39
It's over it's past, time to move on, CM appears to have
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MU-TULSA
MU
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4/15 09:40:10
There will be a new poor 3 pt shooter who will
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/15 10:38:44
Will he be 6.10, shrink when he's in the post but gets mins?
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 10:41:03
Do the Tigers still have two schollies open?
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ERB
KC
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4/15 09:58:22
Mitchell Smith: the sequel and we’ll “bank” a scholarship
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the808bass
MU
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4/15 10:26:20
He’s talked about banking true scholarship before
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 10:46:07
I’m not sure there’s a qualitative difference b/w banking a
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the808bass
MU
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4/15 11:01:40
Guess averaged 15 & 10 this season
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 11:04:34
He averaged zero pts and rebounds for Mizzou
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the808bass
MU
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4/15 11:16:56
I averaged 25 & 15 in the gym. What does that mean?
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 11:06:06
I bet you did. Guess is actually a proven D1 player now
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 11:10:01
You said that about Wilmore. Please miss me with the B.S.
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 11:13:01
When? (nm)
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 11:14:09
From a quant standpoint can't offer a mid-season transfer.
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 11:03:30
Need a PF/C that can run the court and I am sure they
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MU-TULSA
MU
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4/15 10:00:21
Yes
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 10:00:19
Yes. CM said yesterday that he's going to fill at least one
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GeorgiaTiger76
MU
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4/15 09:59:54
Wow. This post encapsulates your view of
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GeorgiaTiger76
MU
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4/15 09:33:25
I disagree on athleticism
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/15 10:36:15
I think you're wrong.
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GeorgiaTiger76
MU
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4/15 10:59:02
You nailed it(nm)
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BlackSheep
MU
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4/16 05:45:53
RE: Watson to me encapsulates the Cuonzo era at MU
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TBrown
MU
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4/15 09:27:19
RE: Watson to me encapsulates the Cuonzo era at MU
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Third_Eye
STL
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4/15 11:48:34
The problem with people on this board is that
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GeorgiaTiger76
MU
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4/15 09:44:42
RE: The problem with people on this board is that
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Third_Eye
STL
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4/15 11:51:18
I'm not talking player development in this post
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/15 10:27:59
I'm not just focusing on this year. His minutes were
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GeorgiaTiger76
MU
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4/15 11:41:16
There’s an in between ground
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 09:51:51
Right. And I'm in that middle ground. Most people
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GeorgiaTiger76
MU
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4/15 09:55:37
I’m hopeful that after the 2020 class
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 10:08:40
I like this class too.(nm)
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GeorgiaTiger76
MU
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4/15 11:11:48
You liked last year's class and the ones before.
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 11:33:34
Did I? Show me where I said that I liked last year's
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GeorgiaTiger76
MU
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4/15 11:43:32
I wouldn't say rarely. We haven't been since 2015
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/15 10:30:23
That's true. And a lot of us thought that CM would
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GeorgiaTiger76
MU
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4/15 11:21:30
He's selling defense in an era of offense. Generation behind
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 11:23:19
How do you know what he's selling?
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GeorgiaTiger76
MU
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4/15 11:28:45
Recruits say this all the time. Your nose is too far up his
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 11:32:50
RE: Recruits say this all the time. Your nose is too far up his
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Third_Eye
STL
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4/15 12:00:08
Only Wilmore,Chang & Buggs believed him last year.
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 14:01:56
What are you talking about?
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GeorgiaTiger76
MU
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4/15 11:34:32
I've lost enough brain cells responding to you. Later.
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 11:37:52
Right. And you don't have many to spare. See ya.(nm)
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GeorgiaTiger76
MU
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4/15 11:51:49
Even before 2015 Mizzou wasn’t a recruiting school
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 10:42:04
I don't understand what that means, what is a recruiting
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/15 10:44:57
Most of this roster is nationally recruited.
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 10:50:26
MU's most successful class was 1979
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/15 10:52:58
That was before I was alive. Players at their level
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 10:56:54
lol. fyi..life existed before you were alive.
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 10:59:47
Ok hold on to that period from the 70’s and 80’s
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 11:01:50
MU was no good when they brought in that class, it was
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/15 11:05:29
They said that about Houston!
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 11:04:24
Houston actually fits with what I’m talking about
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 11:12:52
Sampson develops while Cuonzo erodes.
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 11:13:59
Except almost all the players that have been here
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 11:16:07
What areas did Mitch improve? Shot selection? Inside game?
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 11:20:19
Defense, rebounding. If you wanted him to be a post
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 11:22:35
LOL.He's the same player he was as a soph for CM. He never
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 11:25:38
He’s not a post. If that how you want to use him
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 11:27:04
CM's biggest fans are the ones who think Mizzou's BB history
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/15 10:38:17
They know, but selectively skip over the past.
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 10:45:08
Elon says more about him than you could if you rambled on
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Jeff80
MU
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4/15 09:05:33
Agree, I do not like the current way college bb is played
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/15 10:23:48
What does Elon say about him? (nm)
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phrejd
MU
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4/15 09:17:17
he couldn't consistently play at the sec level
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Jeff80
MU
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4/15 10:17:39
nm
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Cosmo
MU
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4/15 09:33:47
So thought provocative like your other post!
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 11:05:06
Never developed his skill set ...
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Ernie Webb III
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4/15 09:02:23
Axle, Chang, Wilmore & Santos to me encapsulates Cuonzo era
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 09:01:52
We don't look very good attacking the rim either. (nm)
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Newcatbirdseat
MU
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4/15 09:01:30
Was he not a good shooter in high school? I know that he
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Lt. J. Dangle
MU
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4/15 08:55:28
His high school coach is on record as saying he's a scorer
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 09:03:21
No (nm)
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/15 09:00:14
Shot about 30% from 3 in both high school and AAU
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 08:56:49
His athleticism was a limiting factor for him (nm)
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 08:50:19
Yet its a strength defensively, and he is more athletic than
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/15 08:51:25
But Pickett and Dru found other ways to score.
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GeorgiaTiger76
MU
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4/15 09:35:45
Dru & Kass benefitted from teams not scheming against
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 09:41:52
Really? So let me get this straight...
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GeorgiaTiger76
MU
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4/15 09:46:51
BB 101. Teams scheme against others teams & priorotize
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 10:51:40
Mid season teams quit staying attached to Mark
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 10:55:26
Not true, but that's your observation.
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 11:00:39
Watson is less skilled than Pickett and Dru Smith
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BlackSheep
MU
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4/15 09:00:03
As I said below, I agree with that. So it is other areas
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/15 09:01:11
See below(nm)
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BlackSheep
MU
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4/15 09:03:39
Dru was both a better shooter and ball handler.
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 08:53:05
Agree. So it was other areas and not lack of athleticism
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/15 08:59:32
For Watson to be a good SEC player he had be a good
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 09:03:14
Elon is in North Carolina, and Iona is in New Rochelle NY.
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 09:04:59
My bad. The point is still true.
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 09:06:14
You mean that he's Boogie & Davis?
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 09:14:58
or...Dru Smith and Kassius Robertson? (nm)
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Lt. J. Dangle
MU
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4/15 09:27:52
No. They don’t play bulleyball
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 09:20:28
bulleyball as in actually driving, cutting, and picking as
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Missiurifarmboy
MU
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4/15 09:55:13
That isn't true at all.
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GeorgiaTiger76
MU
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4/15 09:58:01
There was very little motion in this offense.
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Sigma
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4/15 10:53:32
It wasn’t a motion offense (nm)
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 10:58:07
Mizzou is in a select few where guys stayed stationary. Few
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 11:01:59
It wasn’t a stationary offense either.
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 11:24:28
Giving old concepts a new name doesn't make you smart.
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 14:00:55
It's a lot harder when you don't actually understand any of
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Missiurifarmboy
MU
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4/15 13:11:44
lol..I am not impressed with the 3 tranfers.
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 09:23:07
We will see next year how they translate
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 09:25:27
Gordon becomes a shooter (lol). Davis mechanics are slow &
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 10:58:32
Ok Bookmark it. If Mizzou is bad then you will be right.
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/15 11:32:22
What role other is there when a player lack dribbling and
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BlackSheep
MU
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4/15 09:03:11
He was never put in position to shoot a mid-range shot. Put
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 09:16:33
That may be true but the question is why?
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BlackSheep
MU
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4/15 10:24:34
That wasn't true until this year. His poor play led to
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GeorgiaTiger76
MU
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4/15 09:37:34
Every year. Did you just start watching this year?
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Sigma
MU
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4/15 11:10:46
RE: He was never put in position to shoot a mid-range shot. Put
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TBrown
MU
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4/15 09:29:53
Agreed
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BlackSheep
MU
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4/15 10:40:35