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I get that. I can see the logic in both ways...

Posted on: January 18, 2019 at 15:23:50 CT
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... i didn't complain when we decided to create a footprint in the SEC states. I didn't complain when we decided to go heavier back to Texas either. They both made sense.

In 2001 when Pinkel was hired, he decided they needed to make a big push into Texas since that was our conference now, and we needed to be able to compete in that footprint to have any chance in the still rather new Big 12.

We were never going to get the 5-stars out of Texas - we didn't. We would land a few 4-stars - we did. But we were going to have to still find diamonds in the rough in Texas - which we feasted on.

And this is sorta undeniable too... the recruiting services did not like our recruiting classes that led up to the 2007 team.

via 247sports
2005 class ranked 8th in Big 12, 42nd nationally
2006 class ranked 9th in Big 12, 43rd nationally

People back then were complaining that we weren't getting good enough players, that we could never win getting the leftovers in Texas.

They were wrong.

We were top 5 in the nation in wins the next 4 years.

Same principle in the SEC move.

We were never going to land the 5-stars, or even many 4-stars ever. But there is so much great talent in all this SEC land (just like Texas), that we would be able to field teams that could win lots of games, just like in the Big 12.

Recruiting wise, we've pretty much stayed right on track. Outside of a fluke 2015 when Lock was playing with a decimated and injured team, we've always had a talented QB, multiple good running backs, tight ends, receivers and offensive line. So its hard to see where there was any drop off.

On defense... the scheme was changed so drastically that its impossible to know whether it was due to a lack of players or more the change in scheme.

I think the signs point to scheme.

As for a real recruiting problem... we need to dominate the state again.

Our 2007 team may have had Daniel at QB, but every single offensive lineman, all our starting receivers and tight ends and our starting running back were all from the state of Missouri.

The key to Mizzou's success is twofold.

1. Dominate the state of Missouri recruiting wise
2. Get the rest from Texas (or the SEC territory)

We don't have a big enough state to only recruit Missouri, and we'll never get the best athletes from Texas or the SEC territory to get all our players there either. Gotta be a combined success.
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     D-Line Zou was ACTIVELY dismantled with malice - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 1/18 12:06:39
          Explain the reason for this line - eatatjoes MU - 1/18 13:42:38
               When the 'Read and React' was installed, it was explained - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 1/18 13:51:42
                    We did much better in the SECC... 21-13 in the - North co-co champs MU - 1/18 14:12:30
                         So we are going to compare 2 schools, but 4 - eatatjoes MU - 1/18 14:15:05
                              I agree with you, can't compare - North co-co champs MU - 1/18 14:27:36
                                   I don't know. I watched both in person. The 'Bama game - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 1/18 14:32:09
                                        In the end, we got our arses blown to bits in both so... - North co-co champs MU - 1/18 14:47:10
                                             Yeah well, we don't know what Pinkel would have done - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 1/18 14:51:12
                    Your posts don't come across as "crossing your fingers" - eatatjoes MU - 1/18 14:08:51
                         No doubt. From the moment it started happening I - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 1/18 14:24:28
                              fantastically well is a bit too far - eatatjoes MU - 1/18 14:32:41
                                   #6 in the nation is fantastic. - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 1/18 14:38:07
                                        I saw the Auburn game, that was also surreal nm - eatatjoes MU - 1/18 14:47:11
                    Gap responsibility was a problem in those SECCGs. In reality - Diamond Dave MU - 1/18 13:55:56
                         It's also possible that we'll get our arses handed to us by - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 1/18 13:59:32
                              We need good athletes at all levels or yeah, will get it - Diamond Dave MU - 1/18 14:10:33
          There would've been older starters at the DE position this - Diamond Dave MU - 1/18 13:25:43
          good grief (nm) - phrejd MU - 1/18 12:49:54
          Somebody hasn't been taking her Midol again. - Gary P. MU - 1/18 12:22:09
               Thanks for letting us know how you deal with it when - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 1/18 13:44:28
                    He's the head coach...he gets to run whatever scheme he sees - Gary P. MU - 1/18 14:34:06
                         'Sorry' - I know you are Gary P. - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 1/18 14:39:34
               Not a very constructive comment Gary - samclemens MU - 1/18 13:05:49
                    DLine Guru Kul leaving? He had his way with Clemson - Diamond Dave MU - 1/18 13:31:58
                         When Odom tried the "sit back and wait" defensive front - samclemens MU - 1/18 14:17:46
                              Sam, when you wrote Tom Sawyer did you read up - eatatjoes MU - 1/18 14:36:06
                                   A true master can handle any style, and chooses the one - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 1/18 14:41:01
                    Sorry (not really). Hes made his bed with his b!tchy history - Gary P. MU - 1/18 13:14:13
                         Yes Gary P., I agree - your brand is legend.(nm) - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 1/18 13:46:16
     Good, informative article. Tells a lot about where BO - jumbo73 MU - 1/18 10:25:29
     GP did great things, but GP and co. also really - Diamond Dave MU - 1/18 09:36:45
          I hope the D will be improved but I'm not counting on - MUTGR MU - 1/18 13:45:09
               Why? Biggest issue on D was not pressuring the QB - Diamond Dave MU - 1/18 13:51:38
          How do you know the offense will be lethal? - ERB KC - 1/18 12:12:00
               Bryant poses a major issue for defenses that Lock never - Diamond Dave MU - 1/18 13:22:30
          Total revision. Pinkel and his staff didn't all of the... - North co-co champs MU - 1/18 11:21:00
               He did direct the move away from our ties in Texas - STLTIGER MU - 1/18 11:48:26
                    No he didn't... the SEC gets the best athletes in the - North co-co champs MU - 1/18 12:09:07
                         He didn't say that nm - eatatjoes MU - 1/18 12:29:21
                              He said he screwed up by leaving it... he didn't leave - North co-co champs MU - 1/18 12:31:21
                                   He alocated resources to the SE and therefore took - eatatjoes MU - 1/18 12:36:26
                                        It made sense... still does. The best athletes in the - North co-co champs MU - 1/18 12:46:15
                                             Then why are we trending upward going back into Texas?(nm) - Diamond Dave MU - 1/18 13:28:32
                                                  We finished 13th in the SEC out of 14. LOL. (nm) - North co-co champs MU - 1/18 13:36:15
                                                       And yet you're touting the importance of focusing our - eatatjoes MU - 1/18 13:45:36
                                                            That applies to the state of Texas too (nm) - North co-co champs MU - 1/18 13:59:28
                                                                 The difference, we were already established in TX (nm) - eatatjoes MU - 1/18 14:58:58
                                                                      I get that. I can see the logic in both ways... - North co-co champs MU - 1/18 15:23:50
                                                            To his credit - Diamond Dave MU - 1/18 13:47:05
                                                                 If you could make a coherent debate, you wouldn't - North co-co champs MU - 1/18 14:00:09
                                                       Subjective. In any event, BO isn't getting out of Texas - Diamond Dave MU - 1/18 13:43:11
                                                            I didn't bytch about it one iota... you are hallucinating - North co-co champs MU - 1/18 14:04:36
               Didn't forget, just didn't put out much effort. Fact(nm) - Diamond Dave MU - 1/18 11:35:42
                    HAHAH. Yeah.. the entire staff just magically stopped - North co-co champs MU - 1/18 11:41:42
                         A mainstay of Pinkel's philosophy was character. A lot - Diamond Dave MU - 1/18 13:27:33
          Honestly, IMO he became distracted at the end of his - jumbo73 MU - 1/18 10:28:36
               I think all you say is spot on. However, still doesn't - Diamond Dave MU - 1/18 10:30:50
          I'm wondering if we will be able to stretch the field deep - STRIPES - 1/18 10:16:49
               RE: I'm wondering if we will be able to stretch the field deep - Diamond Dave MU - 1/18 10:22:58
                    Dude is awesome. (nm) - Newcatbirdseat MU - 1/18 10:24:01
     Reflects a lot of poor recruiting 2013-15 - FootballRefugee MU - 1/18 08:17:13
          Fake news (nm) - North co-co champs MU - 1/18 11:21:37
               Your delusions are funny - FootballRefugee MU - 1/18 16:17:31
          And part of that was various malcontents/troublemakers(nm) - tigersailor MU - 1/18 08:56:26
               malcontents? no. Troublemakers, sure - MizzouAstro MU - 1/18 09:01:45
                    Indeed there were malcontents who left - tigersailor MU - 1/18 09:03:41
                         who were the malcontents?(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 1/18 09:04:10
                              The ones who left w/o being kicked off the team - tigersailor MU - 1/18 09:05:52
                                   names? (nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 1/18 09:11:23
                                        Yes(nm) - tigersailor MU - 1/18 10:28:48
                                             which ones? (nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 1/18 11:43:51
                                                  Steve - phrejd MU - 1/18 12:00:42
          Yep, Pinkel's move out of Texas was the biggest factor there - MizzouAstro MU - 1/18 08:20:38
               False (nm) - North co-co champs MU - 1/18 11:21:20
               And the stopgap JuCo tackles in 2015 - FootballRefugee MU - 1/18 08:23:45
                    Yes and no - STRIPES - 1/18 09:12:51
                         It lacked depth often - FootballRefugee MU - 1/18 09:22:30
                              I don't remember the years - STRIPES - 1/18 10:14:20




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